Twitter provided some good commentary as usual this week. And it was started by FENSA when they posed the question: With the rising costs of transport, what do you think about installers charging a quotation fee?
I have written about this issue before in a post earlier on DGB. I floated the idea of charging for quotations due to the rising cost of fuel and transport. Whilst many agreed it was common sense. Most also pointed out that it wouldn’t work. And the same goes for the question raised by FENSA. Whilst some would charge for a quotation, you can absolutely guarantee that others would not and use it as a selling point against the others. Despite common sense now suggesting that charges have to be now worked into prices to account for the traveling time done by the sales staff.
Conversation then moved on to the subject of prices in general and what was said to customers if they suggested they could get a cheaper price. My reply was “see ya!” Or words to that effect. And I think I am absolutely right. There is no point at all when margins are so tight and business so competitive that we should be bowing down to customer demands for discounts and cheaper prices. I say let them go down the road and get it cheaper. They will invariably getting a worse installation and a lesser product because of it, letting that company put their name to a potentially rubbish job.
Everyone else seemed to agree to that same principle which was good to see. I firmly believe that if you can sell a quality product, backed up by excellent customer service and attention to detail, you don’t need to be weak and sell on lower prices. Weak salespeople do that…in my opinion! I have never once sold on price, I have always sold on quality and service and it have almost all the time allowed me to earn something decent out of the job and most importantly earn a decent margin for the company.
As our industry starts to get back on it’s feet, right now it is very important we are not busy fools. We absolutely must be making something on the contracts we sell. Continuing to sell at lower or zero margins is harmful to a business. Excuses like “trying to keep the fitters busy” and “getting profile through the machinery” isn’t valid and never really has been.
Ask yourself this question: why are you in business? If the answer is to make money, but you are not, then you are doing it all very wrong. A big key to this is having a team of sales people who aren’t afraid of price and are prepared to sell based on the quality of the product and service you are selling. Unfortunately I hear of far too many stories about sales people referring straight back to pricing and losing the will to sell at a higher margin for fear of losing the job.
The way to stop this is for companies to stop giving sales staff discount structures to use. If they are there, the temptation will always be there to use them. We have never once used a discount structure and never felt the need to use them. We have currently 32 years trading under our belts.
So, if a customer comes to you and says they can get it cheaper elsewhere, wave them on down the road. You have put your profit margin on the job for a reason. Don’t give it up based on a threat to go elsewhere!
Not everyone runs on same margins.My overheads are me and my van.Full stop.No showroom nothing.lol.
As long as you make a decent profit on the jobs that you do. That’s what we’re all in business for!
Thanks for your comment as always!
Fortunately not ever one buys from white van man and visiting a showroom is part of the shopping experience along with real value for money and solid guarantees.
Don’t for get 47% buy because of the person, that leaves 53% for quality, company and last thing should be price. Sale the product not the price. Ask yourself, when was the last time you shopped at ‘Primark.’ Look at your wardrobe and see how many designer labels you have.
You are very right about the showroom being part of the shopping experience. It is your best chance to wow the customer and show off the quality of what you sell. Do that, and the price becomes less of a barrier.
Thanks for your comment!
Charging for quotations was the
Norm once in most trades until some fool started offering free quotations 5 Bob was the charge
I doubt that charging for quotes will ever be brought back. The only way to recoup the costs of transport would be to build it into the prices. Thanks for you comment Phil!
Fair comment. I will give you my petrol bill if I come and visit your showroom as a punter ;-)
Thanks Chadders ;-)
Chadders 1980, gladly pay your petrol bill if you buy, also take the quote charge of the cost. No problem.
The beauty is that we have many different customers with many different expectations and budgets so it’s impossible to cater to everybody. I think everybody who comments on here is very much a fair price for a quality product and that’s what we have to keep focusing on so that we can drive out the cowboys eventually. We are suffering the consequences of years and years of undervaluing and underselling and now we have to re-educate customer expectations about our products and service but this will take time. We also have to stand firm when customers try to play us… Read more »
My first house cost £13,500 (yes it was a long time ago) the patio doors we installed were £500 S/O and I fitted them. That house is worth £150k today and a new patio??? £1 /1.5 tops.
Salesmen should relate the VALUE of their products against the cost of the customers home not the cheapness. Lowest price cuts corners, someone will lose out and that’s what gives the industry a bad name.
But don’t rip them off either, charging £20 for a patio is robbery!
It’s a shame that as a way of regulating the industry and stop bad practice that all companies can’t be forced to charge a reasonable fee for a quotation – say at least £50.00. It would reduce the idiots who say ‘I only want a quote’ and who waste one’s time (as well as their own) – it would encourage customers to do a little bit of research before inviting in 2 or 3 firms (I saw a customer last week who wanted to get EIGHT quotes – for 3 windows!) that meet what they think they value (Brand, National,… Read more »
I am the manager at NJSServices.co.uk and we seem to find that prices fluxuate from builder to builder, some is due to the fact they are busy and others just simply don’t no how to price up. As an example one of the big league companies I wont say any names put a price in for windows before we put our quote in, they had put £18 000 for windows and doors only for the back of property, we completely fit the whole lot for under £4000. How can you justify were the other £14 000 has come from????.can be… Read more »